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Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

One of the points Mr. Popper makes is the organizing efforts made by community groups and neighborhoods however, these efforts are seldom covered by established media. In part this is due to a belief that only those with titles and advanced education can make real contributions or are worthy of true coverage. Given the fact that media coverage can advance the voice of those lease valued without such level of coverage society can deny the real consequences of poverty. Racism and increasing poverty is creating the enormous gap that exists between the haves and have nots has become the norm. It is even questionable now if there will be a time in the near future where enough good paying jobs will be available for most workers. I hope the City paper will do an indepth analysis of the Governor's budget which will disclose that most of the benefits will be again for the wealthiest. It proposes to remove the bank tax. 1/2 of the children live in poverty, growing of low wage jobs by 223,00 compared to the lose of 72,000 middle wage jobs, for the wealthy- 750 m inheritance tax break,350m. new tax breaks for Wall St. All of this points to the importance of strong activist oriented organizing joining both unions and those most affected in neighborhoods, communities etc. So let's do it!!

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Posted by Harry Davis on 03/02/2014 at 11:28 AM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

Even if you credit labor unions for their supposed achievements of the past, that doesn't necessarily mean they do more good than harm in today's advanced global economy. That's a different question.

The prime example of a powerful union today — government school workers — isn't encouraging. The employer — the public — seems powerless to overcome the union's obstruction of nearly every effort toward innovation or accountability. And incidentally, since it's the least well off families who most rely on government schools, union intransigence hurts them most.

It's interesting to note that Mr. Popper's one example of a successful union organizing campaign involves a private "non-profit" university — i.e., another industry notorious for bloat, inefficiency, mismanagement, runaway costs, and vanishing value.

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Posted by b.d.g. on 03/02/2014 at 12:41 AM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

National labor law is based on the right to collective action by workers for purposes of collective bargaining or other mutual aid and protection. The right to strike was considered essential to balance power between employer and employees. Previous generations used that right to create a vast middle class. Will our generation be able to maintain those gains?

The employer-consultant industry that shows employers how to best deprive workers of their lawful rights does a great disservice to us all, by leaving workers impoverished. In doing so it is we, as taxpayers, who then must subsidize with public benefits those impoverised workers. Instead, workers should be fairly compensated by employers who profit from their work.

The right to collective bargaining and concerted action must be restored. Collective action will be needed for that, as is evident from our shared history.

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Posted by Jeff Nieznanski on 03/01/2014 at 9:52 AM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

I certainly stand behind my point of view, however in this debate, I could lose my job and pension because of my honesty. Not to mention, as close as Buffalo, unions still resort to violence for what they call "scabs". How's that for freedom of speech? There are other debates this country desperately needs to have, like the one about race. Unfortunately we can't, even with a black president. I am a person who does look at all sides of an issue before making up my mind. After all, here I am reading and commenting on a newspaper that makes my blood boil. If you'd like to shut down all debate, that's fine, it's your paper, but what would you gain in the end?

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Posted by johnny on 02/28/2014 at 7:15 PM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

Do people who value privacy have nothing to contribute to a "serious discussion about contemporary topics"?

An idea or argument should stand or fall on its merits, not on the biography or personality or popularity of the speaker.

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Posted by Proudly Anonymous While We Still Can on 02/28/2014 at 4:24 PM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

Thanks, all of you, for your comments about anonymous comments. We've been talking about that - and about requiring registration. Anonymity is pretty ingrained in part of the internet culture, as you know. But we have very deep concerns about it in a comments section that is intended to foster serious discussion about contemporary topics. We'll keep you posted - and we do appreciate your input. -- Mary Anna Towler, editor

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Posted by Mary Anna Towler on 02/28/2014 at 1:43 PM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

I also agree that City Newspaper does a disservice to its readership by posting anonymous comments.

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Posted by Larry Champoux on 02/28/2014 at 11:45 AM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

I agree with Martin Edic . Anyone commenting should identify themselves.

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Posted by James Bearden on 02/28/2014 at 9:53 AM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

"I don't believe Johnny Anonymous when he says he's nearing retirement age. People in our age bracket attended real public schools, where we got a real education, and we know that without labor unions we would have absolutely nothing today."--David Nevin

Sorry, Mr Nevin. I didn't go to public schools, so I wasn't "taught" by union teachers. I've had my ups and downs and have been one of the rich greedy business owners you despise. I've worked in union and non-union businesses. Try being educated by real life experiences. You'll change your tune.

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Posted by johnny on 02/27/2014 at 7:07 PM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

I really don't think you should allow commenting by anonymous commenters.

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Posted by Martin Edic on 02/27/2014 at 10:45 AM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

I seem to remember an attempt by City Newspaper's employees to organize and they were fought and defeated by management. Am I correct about this? They certainly do not pay a living wage to writers and designers (all the employees I know have second jobs).

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Posted by Martin Edic on 02/27/2014 at 10:44 AM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

Poverty is hardly "man-made", but rather is the natural condition of humankind. We overcome that wretched condition only through industriousness and ingenuity (which qualities are usually inimical to labor unions). Economic growth and development are the only antidote for poverty.

New York State, unfortunately, already struggles with one of the most fiercely anti-growth environments in North America. Needless to say, increased unionization would only make our area's prospects that much more hopeless. The poor won't be better off (though the union bosses sure would be).

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Posted by b.d.g. on 02/27/2014 at 12:46 AM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

When wealthy people combine their resources its called a corporation. When working people combine their resources its called a labor union.

I don't believe Johnny Anonymous when he says he's nearing retirement age. People in our age bracket attended real public schools, where we got a real education, and we know that without labor unions we would have absolutely nothing today.

If not for labor unions we would still be working 7 days a week - half day off on Sundays. If not for labor unions we would not have a consumer-driven economy, because people who live hand-to-mouth can't afford cell phones, video games, vacations, and new cars.

The biggest problem we have with unions today is that there are not enough members.

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Posted by David Nevin on 02/26/2014 at 10:26 PM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

Unions are one of the biggest scams in this country, I am in a union myself, Haven't had a raise in years, but the union has raised my dues, so being in a union has actually LOWERED my take home pay. In the words of Richard Trumpka- "we don't give a dam about our membership. They give us money and that money gives us power."

If you want a raise, work harder and smarter. Capitalism works If you don't believe that show me a better and more fair system than capitalism.

Why am I still in a union? I'm nearing retirement age and don't care to switch jobs at this point, but with the skills I have developed over the years I could make more in a non union shop because they don't have to pay everyone the same wages whether they produce or not.

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Posted by johnny on 02/26/2014 at 6:15 PM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

Mr. Popper raises some fantastic points here. We don't live in a nation that is poor. We live in one of the wealthiest moments that this country has ever seen. Massive concentrations of wealth exist in very few hands. We don't have a resource problem, we have a distribution problem. Unions are the major way to ensure that wealth is distributed more fairly to working people - who are essential to the creation of that wealth in the first place. If we continue to legislate away workers ability to organize, then we shouldn't be surprised by the growing rates of poverty in our community.

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Posted by Colin O'Malley on 02/26/2014 at 2:28 PM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

Unions actually worked incredibly well for Detroit. Detroit had nearly 50 years of constant prosperity. What didn't work well for Detroit was free trade deals that aided tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs to move out of country and GM and Ford constantly demanding concession after concession.

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Posted by Colin O'Malley on 02/26/2014 at 2:22 PM

Re: “The real solution to Rochester's poverty

Because unions worked out so well for Detroit!

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Posted by Anonymous on 02/26/2014 at 12:51 PM

Re: “City school board seeking change and solutions

Creating smaller neighborhood schools should be the focus for RCSD. It builds strong community/family bonds that can raise these children together with a vested interest in seeing them succeed. This is how we can but a FACE on the problem and when we have that, people take action. It's easy to point fingers at others and not do anything with the problem is just "a number."

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Posted by Jennifer Wagner on 02/16/2014 at 6:16 PM

Re: “City school board seeking change and solutions

The board hired a man with no management experience( against Van White wishes - connect the dots... ) Vargas states that he is overwhelmed, and CO is too broken to fix. He doesn't need help, he is simply the wrong man for the job. Now out of desperation he sends his deputy super to dig up dirty laundry on the man who didn't want him in this ill fitting position. It shouldn't take much thought to see what's going on here. White wants Vargas to follow the boards rules that were put in place 20 years ago. When CO is held accountable for their poor decision, all will see what most have known for years- corruption, devastating decision made from the top down has created this train wreck of a mess.

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Posted by kamakazee78 on 02/13/2014 at 7:37 AM

Re: “City school board seeking change and solutions

It sounds like an already overwhelmed superintendent is about to be buried with more board requests. Even if these are justified and could be helpful in the future, isn't it obvious that the superintendent needs serious support? I get the sense the mayoral control drum is going to get louder as the mission drift in the RCSD becomes wider with each report of bad news. Riots at schools, vocational classes that should be closed, votes of no confidence, top people leaving and this is the short list. Outside experts are needed asap.

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Posted by Gotta say it on 02/12/2014 at 12:36 PM

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