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Re: “City schools' suspensions challenged

I so appreciate comments on this issue because they mean that some people still care about public education. The comments reflect exactly the complexities of preparing and schooling children who live in socio-emotional climates of desperation and despair as we fight to prepare them for college and careers yet to be discovered.
The struggle that those of us who grappled with and eventually vetted this report is that just like people in the ancient human societies that we force public school students to study academic concepts when we fundamentally understand that when one’s basic needs of food, clothing, shelter, safety and familial love are not met, then the intellectual pursuit of formalized education is a moot point. Therefore, when a child reveals through their behavior what we already know to be true (they are not socially, emotionally or mentally prepared to appreciate compulsory [forced] education) then we need to believe them the first time. As educational experts, conscientious reporters or astute politicians, we need to consider; is it worth it to force children to go to school if the end result is that they will 1) Keep everyone else’s children from learning; 2) have students arrested for minor infractions; or 3) observe in retrospect how empires (a.k.a. the United States) decline? In any of the above scenarios; as the report shows; the Black and Brown people of America will be criminalized, blamed and abandoned in model that support forced education. The time has come for us to draw a line in the sand… are we for or against public schools putting out children who are not prepared to learn at the levels dictated by the State for various reasons or are we the preparing ourselves to be the safe room that those children run to when all hell breaks loose? ?

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Posted by watdi33 on 11/19/2014 at 10:02 PM

Re: “City schools' suspensions challenged

If you are not in the RCSD schools environment you won't see the reality. If you just visit the "elite schools" that are Magnet ones having the underground privilege to choose their students you won't see the real problems planted here. When these students go into society they are going to be the problems and the law is not going to stop sending them to prison for big crimes. Like the student who shoot Officer DiPonzio. Warnings came in elementary but nobody listen to the teacher's complainings.Then having a sixth grader with an electronic device on his ankle for monitoring him as a juvenile offender. But it was ignore everything he could did bullying others. Suspensions looks bad to the eyes of some people but the district needs to put in place serious consequences to the students that do wrong. Minor infractions for some people seems normal and innocent. But when things scale to the point like other states shootings everyone is surprised why that happened. But in reality nobody wants to face the reality of the problems. Our society took the responsibility from the parents and now sadly many parents are not taking responsibility to raise their children as good and productive citizens of this country. Stop giving everything to them. Make them accountable for their own children. They brought into this World now take responsibility.

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Posted by EYEHAWKQUEEN on 11/19/2014 at 9:13 PM

Re: “City schools' suspensions challenged

MIchael, Gottasayit, kamakazee78... it would seem as if you folks really know what you are talking about so I would ask... tell us what should be done to really change the RCSD and its policies with suspensions ?

I offered one suggestion of an in-school suspension program with more individual monitoring to get the home work done during the day instead of throwing the student out of school. And, for the student (s) to get ahead of the education needed to graduate, on time, in 12 years ,at the age of 17 or 18 years of age through in-school suspensions.


WHAT SHOULD WE DO IN YOUR OPINION to make things work ?

Thank you.


Please...we already know that Mayoral Control, more money thrown at the problems, and common core do not seem to be the answers.

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Posted by crm135790 on 11/19/2014 at 9:02 PM

Re: “Stealing Susan B.?

Thank you Christine. Some people don't understand that. I do. I have nothing else to add to the reply I have already given.

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Posted by sean on 11/19/2014 at 6:31 PM

Re: “Stealing Susan B.?

Reminder: We love to hear from you, but please do not attack each other. You'll find yourself edited or deleted. And who wants to deal with that kind of rejection?

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Posted by Christine Carrie Fien on 11/19/2014 at 5:11 PM

Re: “City schools' suspensions challenged

The spin on this subject is disgraceful. What are the setting up for us to believe? Any one that works for the RCSD knows that the suspensions are low. Since '08 superintendent Bizzard implemented a no suspension regime that has changed very little by 2014. In the D&C article the data released noted that the actual said RCSD suspension data was not completely valid. What? If that is the case what is the purpose of the data?!! Principals are targeted in a negative way if they have many suspensions in their building. No principal wants to be known as the suspension king so where is the data on high suspensions? The arrest?? I have seen kids bringing drugs and weapons to school and NOT being suspended. Journalist may want to talk to the staff that actually work IN the schools. School board members may want to visit the schools ( not just the elementary schools) to know what is going on before they make comments to the press and look foolish. Journalist may want to discuss counter arguements in their articles to give the public a 3 D view on what is really going on. Try asking this question: How much money does the district lose when a student is suspended?
This article and the faux concern for our students has disturbed me more than any subject about the RCSD. It is negligent and irresponsible. Safety is a huge concern . We have a few menacing students wrecking havoc in our schools because they can. They run the schools because they are untouchable. Students do not feel safe. What are we going to do about that? Why is there no discussion about attracting students to want to come to school? The minuscule vocational programs is like throwing a styrofoam life board to a person stranded in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean . The canned answer we get is- we will have to train the teachers and principals so that they can better serve their students needs. Really? They didn't train their teachers to roll out the new common core , do you think they will spend the money and time to adopt more training? Please! 2015 will mark the 20 year anniversary that RCSD faced a horrendous tragedy. The death of Stephanie Givens. We need to make sure we don't see anything like that ever again. Having a Wild West mentality and ignoring that big fat white with pink polka dot elephant in the room is something we cannot afford. Not now. Not ever.

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Posted by kamakazee78 on 11/19/2014 at 4:31 PM

Re: “Stealing Susan B.?

Clarification: The person who had the abortion was Susan's sister-in-law. She commented in her diary about the situation. She was concerned about her sister-in-laws' health.

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Posted by Phyllis on 11/19/2014 at 4:03 PM

Re: “Stealing Susan B.?

I believe this isn't politicizing. I believe this is informing. Information is educational and balancing. Informed opinion and knowing some of the core traits of Susan B Anthony expand public knowledge of who she was and what she advocated for in her time. Thank you for expanding the knowledge about Susan B Anthony, Deborah Hughes. Well and eloquently stated!

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Posted by MC Myers on 11/19/2014 at 2:04 PM

Re: “Stealing Susan B.?

Unfortunately both sides use Susan B. Anthony and others for their own purposes. These are historical people who lived, thought and acted in their time, not our's. Unless they discussed an issue which is contemporary to us today and made their views plain on that issue, we don't have the right to say "This person thought X", like whether Lincoln would oppose health insurance or Frederick Douglass would be a Republican today. One of the hardest things for human beings to say is "I don't know," because it admits our ignorance and our fear of not knowing and being judged for it. I don't know whether Susan B. Anthony would support or oppose abortion today. I don't know whether Susan B. Anthony was a lesbian or not. I don't know whether Lincoln would support the Affordable Care Act today. And neither does anyone else. Shame on you Ms. Hughes for politicizing Susan B. Anthony and shame on the Susan B. Anthony List for using Susan B. Anthony's name to raise money for your own causes. Be original, like Susan B. Anthony was, not a copy of someone she wasn't.

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Posted by sean on 11/19/2014 at 12:53 PM

Re: “City schools' suspensions challenged

Craig R. Moffitt ‏@MrHenrietta
Data: Suspensions a problem in city school district http://on.rocne.ws/1uHgZr5 via @DandC ... make the suspension in school and make the students do homework all day.

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Posted by crm135790 on 11/18/2014 at 7:24 PM

Re: “City schools' suspensions challenged

Here we go again. Another study telling us something we have known for years. There are too many suspensions and in some cases certain students are unfairly targeted. So what? What is the end game for the small group of connected progressives who consistently come up with these reports and studies? Isn't it time they told the truth? Radical reform is needed. Why polish a rotten apple?
The study targets teachers and principals. This will lead to a board response followed by a formal policy mandating that every school have an ATS room and of course, everyone will need restorative justice training.
What we won't hear is that these programs cost money and the paid providers are often close to the people crying injustice in the first place. What a coincidence.
The do-gooders are not fooling anyone. If they wanted to really help, they would put more of their own resources into the schools (for free) and spend less time advocating for exterior initiatives that will no doubt come at a cost.

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Posted by Gotta Say It on 11/18/2014 at 5:13 PM

Re: “City schools' suspensions challenged

Michael is right, and I also picked up on that point about 5% of students accounting for the large majority of the suspensions. To me, then, it sounds like suspensions might be a good thing, to get the trouble-making 5% out of the classroom so that the non-troublemaking (for the most part) 95% of the students have a chance to receive an education. Not good for the 5%, I realize, and maybe there are better ways of dealing with them. But I consider it positive that it's such a small percentage that account for the very large majority of suspensions.

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Posted by Rochester Musician on 11/18/2014 at 1:31 PM

Re: “City schools' suspensions challenged

This seems to be one of those rare occasions where the D&C provided more analysis on a topic than City. The study showed that 5% of the students accounted for 73% of the suspensions. That sounds like there is a small minority of students that are the problem, not an epidemic of suspensions. They undoubtably disrupt classes for others whenever they are around, and the schools would be better off if they could be expelled and sent elsewhere.

Likewise,very little info so provided on what one considers to be minor infractions. At one point, it is mentioned that non violent infractions are 88%. Is this the same 88%? Similarly, much is made of blacks being suspended at a rate higher than whites without mentioning that whites are 3x as likely to be suspended than Asians. Is this evidence that whites are discriminated against, or that whites break those rules more often? And how do the suspension rates compare to the infraction rates where caught? I do not believe that there was any evidence that the RCSD Treats students differently. The study referenced was done in Texas.

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Posted by Michael on 11/18/2014 at 10:25 AM

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