I love the zoo and think it's past time that the zoo update its main building. Zoos have a key role in getting people interested in wildlife which will, in the long run, help create the political pressure to save wildlife habitats.
Back in the early '80s, when the future NOTA was just a poor neighborhood with many vacant buildings - houses, the factories that became Village Gate and the Towner Building, Neighborhood Housing Services (NHS) came in and connected with neighbors and early renovators in the the Atlantic-University neighborhood AND the neighborhood on the other side of the Atlantic Ave underpass, between Atlantic and East Main, in an effort to re-vitalize both. There was also a strong Beechwood neighborhood association . Atlantic-University was successful in this initiative. I'm not sure what happened to NHS. Part of what happened in A-U was due to momentum created by its existing residents and early pioneer renovators that started back in the '70s - I bought a vacant house in a city auction1980 and joined the Atlantic-University neighborhood association, strengthening it's partnership with the city - which included infrastructure improvements. One of the Association's initiatives was to convince the city to auction off remaining vacant houses to owner occupants only, which enabled moderate to low-income families to own and renovate houses. Our goal was to increase home ownership and not gentrify the area. As the housing stock stabilized there came the bold initiatives of the Stern brothers and Paul Kramer who undertook the renovation of Stecher-Traung complex (the future Village Gate) and the Towner building. There were also those already anchoring the area, including Artie Goldfetter, the owner of Fabrics and Findings and other early pioneers.. There was momentum. The other factor was the early - albeit slight - rise in property values, which led some slumlords to sell and move on to other areas, unfortunately including the Public Market area. What happened in Beechwood and other poorer areas that led to their being left behind? Many factors, not the least being, in my opinion, the crack epidemic of the 1980s. Efforts to renovate houses and commercial buildings seemed to fizzle out. But I still believe that there can be a renaissance there. Hungerford is becoming a destination for artists and other entrepreneurs. Marketplace Heights has worked diligently to stabilize that area, but there is no ignoring the overwhelming fact of extreme poverty, with all that accompanies it. I know there are people doing good work there, and would love to hear more from them.
Not really sure why City censored my post as I wasn't trying to sell anything. I was merely trying to recommend a book ("Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn) that folks can borrow from their local library if they so choose. It was an eye-opening book for me personally and I think it's entirely relevant to this conversation about animal captivity and human global dominance (but thanks for censoring me without even knowing what you censored). Perhaps I should've used this link instead: http://www.ishmael.org/Origins/Ishmael/
Cammy has a strong voice, here with a little more instrumentation:
We were told if you liked your health care plan you could keep your health care plan, and if you liked your doctor you could keep your doctor. We were promised that health care costs would drop $2,500 per family. It turned out to be a bunch of Democrat lies. Now we're being told that we will get even better health care and the state (but probably not the average taxpayer) will save $45 BILLION dollars with this new plan. Are we really so stupid as to believe any of this? All we need now is Jonathan Gruber's endorsement of "Gottfriedcare".
I thought that the "affordable care act" was suppose to make everything better. And now we have a "solution" to make the ACA better. Can't wait for the government to roll out the next "solution" after that too. We sure have become gullible in this state and country.
The zoo should not be prison to animals that should otherwise be free. The should also not serve animals as food. The irony with the only reason a 'zoo' might need to exist is to help animals who might otherwise go extinct. The irony? The eating of animals is one of the prime reasons animals go extinct. If the zoo would not serve animals on a plate and if people would not put animals on their plate, there would be no reason for a zoo at all.
Rain forests are cut down or burned at rate of 80,000 to 200,000 acres per day and much of the reason is for animal agriculture, a place to graze animals or to grow food to feed the animals that people eat. Millions upon millions of acres in the United States are used to graze cows or to grow food for cows. These lands were once home to an abundance of biodiversity. Now they are home to monocrops of genetically modified corn and soy, a diet not even suitable for a cow which is why they are fed antibiotics (another problem). Millions of tons of animal waste lay ruin to waterways and areas that once were biodiverse. Overfishing where 7.3 million tons of dolphin and other animals that people do not eat are thrown away, dead as by-catch. All of this mass destruction for a hot dog or a hamburger that is not even healthy to eat anyway.
If we did not eat animals we would reduce the amount of land needed to grow food by a staggering amount.
The whole problem with a zoo is the problem in general: Valuing the life of one animal over another. By serving one animal on a plate but valuing the animal in the cage because it might go extinct is the problem. That animal might have its habitat intact if we valued all life. By valuing only some life, we devalue it. We are the threat. The only way to solve the problem is not by building a zoo. It is by actually valuing animals, not just some animals, but all of them.
Close this Animal Prison. Children are not going to learn much from an animal in an artificial habit other than putting profit and entertainment over an animals right to be free just like us.
Great talent, love his stories, just wish people would understand that many folks come to hear HIM sing and talk. I get it that some people identify with the lyrics and such, but I didn't spend money to hear the drunk next to me spew every third word to a song as if he was the performer... please, please, please, do a PSA on this subject. I wouldn't go to a comedy club and finish the joke nor recite the lines at a play... sure, some choruses seem to beg the sing a long, but every verse? every third word? ugh....
I think we should close the Zoo and set a example to the world, That animals need to be free. The education for children should be one of animal sentience.
“The assumption that animals are without rights and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality.” Arthur Schopenhauer
“We must fight against the spirit of unconscious cruelty with which we treat the animals. Animals suffer as much as we do. True humanity does not allow us to impose such sufferings on them. It is our duty to make the whole world recognize it. Until we extend our circle of compassion to all living things, humanity will not find peace.” Albert Schweitzer
WHAT A MESS --- OUR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE!!!
What is the long term plan for the zoo? If they can't expand at Seneca Park, maybe a long term plan to move the zoo back to Durand Eastman Park where there's tons of room.
I went on a field trip to the Seneca Park Zoo when I was in elementary school. I don't remember anything about the animals. But I do recall how great it felt not being cooped up in a classroom.
Totally agree with Frank. We need to stop preserving specimens and start saving habitats. The specimens found in zoos are very poor representations of the species. In order to survive in captivity, they need to possess behavioral attributes (lack of aggression, adaptable to non-native climates and diets ) usually at odds with the attributes that would make them best suited for survival in their natural habitat. A generation or two on captivity and you don't even really have a specimen of that species any more. In nature, these organisms are creating and maintaining our life support system. In captivity, they are feeding a foolish worldview for humans who'd rather have someplace to take the kids on Sunday than actually securing their kids' future.
I remember our efforts to stop that loony idea back in the day: “The county's 2001 plan initially called for the zoo to expand into the Frederick Law Olmsted-designed portion of the park.” Rochester needed a world-class zoo like a fish needs a bicycle.
This new zoo idea seems less ambitious, but still why do we need zoos in the first place? They are a medieval entertainment frivolity that constantly needs to justify themselves in the modern world. When you take wildlife, those creatures who helped define their/our environment, and stick them in a zoo, they become mere living artifacts.
What is a polar bear without the Arctic? Why are we trying to save species that will never be able to return to their environment because Climate Change is changing that environment, maybe forever? Why isn’t a nature program as educational as caging animals in prisons, where these creatures are totally out of their element? At least a nature program can connect the dots between wildlife and their environment in situ.
Why don’t we put our efforts into saving the Arctic (which is disappearing very quickly) and many other environments around the world that are in extreme danger—which is to say ecologies that are integral parts of our life support system?
Why can’t field conservation work be done via the DEC supported by tax dollars instead of the DEC getting funding by folks paying for licenses to kill and fish our wildlife? We are at a crucial point in saving wildlife, as Climate Change is changing our wildlife’s environment many times faster than they can adapt and the answer is not bigger and better zoos.
Should tax dollars go to medieval torture chambers or for actually helping those creatures who defined our environment so they can continue to do so?
More on Wildlife in our area: http://rochesterenvironment.com/animals.ht…
GREAT review. Thanks for covering Rochester independent theater.
As with most government programs, some will save, while others will end up footing the bill. Welcome to NY.
Residency Restriction laws DO NOT WORK. There is ample evidence that they actually increase the likelihood of reoffense. But why bother basing laws on evidence when there are millions of dollars to be made? Parents For Megan's Flaw is already raking in a million a year in Suffolk County, and they are pushing this bill in hopes of getting more bids to make more money for their victim industry group. What's the price of saving this mythical one child? in Suffolk County, one million dollars.
Derek Logue, Once Fallen
The criminal politicians and others who support the "sex offender" witch hunt are such a pompous, sanctimonious bunch of idiots. I'm sure that forcing Len Douangtavilay 1,000 or 2,000 feet away from any school, park, or whatever is going to make such a huge difference. It will surely protect so many children.
Of course it won't. But it will without doubt ensure that he has less respect for government, law enforcement, and society, less empathy for anyone, and a great desire to retaliate. It WILL do that.
There are no Americans who support this kind of arbitrary, random, ever-changing harassment. None.
On the bright side, new nanny big government Registries are being created. It is time to stop messing around and creating one new Registry at a time. It needs to mandated on a national level that everyone who has committed any significant crime is required to Register. They must all be required to Register exactly as "sex offenders" do.
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