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Re: “Riots still haunt Rochester

The last time I worked with Bob Duffy and Wade Norwood was in 1993 about problems in my neighborhood ( N. Goodman and Bay ). Thank Gos that Wade and Bob helped me. At the time,there were 1000 abandoned properties. To date, there are 2400 abandoned properties in the City of Rochester Limits and counting. Equal ground in jobs , education, housing and more are some of the answers. However, living a moral life is the final answer.

Craig R. Moffitt

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Posted by crm135790 on 07/21/2014 at 1:32 PM

Re: “Riots still haunt Rochester

" To build or renovate housing costs money. If people can't afford it, subsidies are needed to build it or to rent it, right? Whether the federal, state or local taxpayers get the bill, it's still subsidized. If the population of the city has dropped from 300,000 to 210,000 there should be plenty of housing around ". ( There is plenty of housing in Rochester but it is abandoned; beyond repair; or stripped of its valued materials or a crack drug house ). So what do we do ? What is your plan ? Taking care of your family is good and I applaud that in every way. But the problems are larger and greater than just " your family". When all of us in Rochester and Monroe County wake up to those facts then it will be even a great place to live work and raise children of any race or color. You did not answer the question and have a plan for the $8.99 per assessed value per parcel , of your propeerty,of your money that the County of Monroe is already giving to COMIDA and LDC's ?

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Posted by crm135790 on 07/21/2014 at 8:50 AM

Re: “Riots still haunt Rochester

crm: To build or renovate housing costs money. If people can't afford it, subsidies are needed to build it or to rent it, right? Whether the federal, state or local taxpayers get the bill, it's still subsidized. If the population of the city has dropped from 300,000 to 210,000 there should be plenty of housing around. No, I don't have a plan to get people to move back into the city. I figure that taking care of myself and my family is my priority and not being a burden to anyone is enough for me. I'm tired of the guilt trip being laid on people who work hard, pay their (exorbitant) taxes and try to be left alone.

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Posted by fuming on 07/21/2014 at 8:33 AM

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Dear Fuming, to paraphrase again

"Now in the suburbs but used to live in an apartment in the city. Eventually, ( some people, that worked hard, that had an education and good parenting ), were able to buy a home in a modest suburb because , I chose ;and, wanted to own a home to have more space and a yard ( There are homes in the CITY with big yards). After many years we’re close to paying off the mortgage. So it bothers me that one of the solutions suggested for the problem of poverty is to build low-cost subsidized housing in the suburbs.

( PEOPLE are less fortunate in the County too ) Really? How does it help the problem of poverty by spreading it out around the county? It doesn’t address the problem at all. And if transportation to jobs is also a problem for the poor, doesn’t it make that harder if they’re dispersed? ( We do not have enough population to have a good mass transit system similar to the LIGHT Rail in Minnesota ). Does that mean they will need access to low-cost cars in addition to housing? ( We have to bring population back to Rochester Monroe County in some ways...what is your plan ? ).

No one ever said subsidized housing... the point was affordable housing. People in homes, that take care of homes, makes good. common sense. Over the last 20 years without Kodak or Xerox there has been a mass exodus to other states and to Monroe County. Now the population in the City is about 210,000 down from 300,000. The City and the County have programs for businesses such as COMIDA and LDC's. WITHOUT HOUSING,JOBS and EDUCATION we have NOTHING. THE County is up to about 900.000 residents. The County and the CITY are one together...and the sooner both start working together the better off all will be. What is Monroe County doing about kicking in some money for a Mass Transit System ? At , I may add $8.99 per thousand at assessed roles per parcel ?

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Posted by crm135790 on 07/21/2014 at 8:07 AM

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I live in the suburbs but I used to live in an apartment in the city. We eventually were able to buy a home in a modest suburb because we wanted to own a home to have more space and a yard. After many years we’re close to paying off the mortgage. So it bothers me that one of the solutions suggested for the problem of poverty is to build low-cost subsidized housing in the suburbs. Really? How does it help the problem of poverty by spreading it out around the county? It doesn’t address the problem at all. And if transportation to jobs is also a problem for the poor, doesn’t it make that harder if they’re dispersed? Does that mean they will need access to low-cost cars in addition to housing? The other problem is the burden on suburban schools with the influx of people. We’ll have to pay for that too, I suppose. If we help low income people move to towns adjacent to the city, can I get help to move to a more affluent suburb like Pittsford or Mendon? Now there’s talk of placing the illegal immigrant children in US towns and cities. Do they get to go to the front of the line for housing instead of poor Americans citizens?

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Posted by fuming on 07/21/2014 at 7:27 AM

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"Well did the person in the video ever stop to consider that the people in the houses EARNED them by WORKING HARD for MONEY, instead of sitting on their lazy butts and demanding that suburbanites pay for luxuries people in the city can't afford on their own? Why should I have to bust my butt to pay someone else's mortgage when they refuse to work? Things are EARNED in this life, not given."

Sean: You must have forgotten what Obama said: "You didn't build that". This is the socialist excuse for the need to redistribute wealth.

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Posted by Tony on 07/21/2014 at 6:44 AM

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Why are so many people in the poorer neighborhoods so lazy? I blame government entitlements more than the people themselves.

To be fair, we must also understand that corporations receive welfare too. Also, some workers get fair compensation for their hard work while others do not. I've seen people at companies getting far more than they deserve. They lie about how hard they work. And there are plenty of government workers who sit on there butts all day long at some hiding spot they have found. There are also very many dedicated government workers who work extremely hard.

I can't blame anybody for wanting to stay far away from neighborhoods of concentrated poverty. Yet, doesn't this lead to misconceptions that only exacerbate the problems.

We can't say "WE" unless a process for breaking up concentrated poverty begins.

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Posted by Mike Bruton on 07/20/2014 at 2:01 PM

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The riots were caused by disorderly behavior and a feeling of "anything that's yours should be ours because we don't have it" mentality among city people. Someone in a video on the riots at the D+C mentioned that city people were tired of living in "tenements" next to people in houses. Well did the person in the video ever stop to consider that the people in the houses EARNED them by WORKING HARD for MONEY, instead of sitting on their lazy butts and demanding that suburbanites pay for luxuries people in the city can't afford on their own? Why should I have to bust my butt to pay someone else's mortgage when they refuse to work? Things are EARNED in this life, not given. The nerve of some people even today is appalling.

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Posted by sean on 07/20/2014 at 11:43 AM

Re: “Riots still haunt Rochester

To :Colin O'Malley
Organizing Director
Metro Justice

From: Craig R. Moffitt crm135790
81 Finnegan Way
Henrietta, 14467


Thank you for your thought provoking words in your recent Opinion / Comment. I am not afraid either to stand up and fight for what is fair and "right".

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Posted by crm135790 on 07/18/2014 at 7:41 PM

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This is another example of why racism still exists. In the Democrat and Chronicle, this week, David Gantt says " that some think we are still on the plantation" to paraphrase his words. This is exactly the kind of thing that some are still debating through racism and reverse racism in Rochester to this day. Now, Mr. Gantt was speaking about politics in Rochester and the "fight" for District Seats in Rochester and Monroe County. But to say the "Plantation" leads me to believe that he was talking to me because I am white. Yet...these kind of statements are a great example of the on-going racism among blacks and whites...the two major races in Rochester / Monroe County. These words by anyone, especially David Gantt, are hurtful and unnecessary in 2014. Shame on you David Gantt !!! There are white and blacks and blacks and whites working together in Rochester, NY and statements like these by David are outdated as well as disgusting. David is supposed to be held to a higher standard... If I were to walk into the Assembly, in Albany, during a legislative session, and use words like he did to the Democrat and Chronicle...what do you think would have happened to me ?

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Posted by crm135790 on 07/18/2014 at 5:51 PM

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In recent weeks, there has been a great deal of effort to remember our collective history that came to public notice with the racial uprising of July 1964. This effort is incredibly important, as the history of people's movements demanding and winning change is essential to this day. The history of FIGHT taking on one of the largest and most powerful corporations of it's day to demand racial and economic justice is an incredible social justice victory in the history of this city.

What I find saddening however, is that there seems to be a collective amnesia about the history of many in the white community actively organized to support the demands of FIGHT, forming the organization Friends of FIGHT.

What is particularly alarming about this collective amnesia is that Friends of FIGHT continues to exist, as Metro Justice, a multi-racial community organization dedicated to social, economic, and racial justice to this day. There seems to be a convenience in forgetting Metro Justice, an organization of 900 members that continues to be a thorn in the side of current power players demanding genuine justice through people's movements.

Our 7-point program for Economic Justice (http://bit.ly/MJ7Points) call for justice in the fields of healthcare, education, and jobs to this day. We have recognized for 49 years the continued need for movements of everyday people to demand genuine justice in these fields. We continue to fight for genuine universal healthcare in New York State. We are working towards equitable education funding and restorative justice in our schools to end the school to prison pipeline. We are part of the nationwide Fight for 15, demanding a living wage and union with fast food workers in the city.

The multi-racial community fight for social, economic, and racial justice continues in Rochester, in part through Metro Justice (www.MetroJustice.org) who vividly remember our history as Friends of FIGHT.

Colin O'Malley
Organizing Director
Metro Justice

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Posted by Colin O'Malley on 07/18/2014 at 2:17 PM

Re: “Riots still haunt Rochester

" There is a perception on the part of suburbanites that "the city" is dangerous. Although 9 times out of 10, that is not the case, the 1 time you get caught in the crossfire of a deal going down, you'll wish your lucky stars you just stayed in Brighton or Pittsford or Chili ". To paraphrase again... this mind set of suburban and city as separation, is perhaps , part of the opportunity to learn that what happens in the city or what happens in the County of Monroe impacts both at the same time. Again, when both start working together to solve the perception of "dangerous" and "crossfire" then we will have a city and a county that is even more vibrant.

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Posted by crm135790 on 07/18/2014 at 9:32 AM

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Some people may feel more comfortable in a "bad" section of town then someone else. That is up to them. My doors lock automatically above 9 m.p.h. I have never had a problem in a "bad" section of town, but I try not to stay there longer than I have to. I find that in broad daylight, 99% of people are interested in going about their business. You don't bother them, they don't bother you. That is my philosophy. That does not mean that one is not apprehensive when driving through Genesee Street, but one does have to conduct business fear or not. There is a perception on the part of suburbanites that "the city" is dangerous. Although 9 times out of 10, that is not the case, the 1 time you get caught in the crossfire of a deal going down, you'll wish your lucky stars you just stayed in Brighton or Pittsford or Chili.

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Posted by sean on 07/17/2014 at 11:35 PM

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@Animule: The out-of-wedlock birthrate in the city has plummeted to historic lows.

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Posted by Insatiable Dragon on 07/17/2014 at 5:06 PM

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Not one mention here of the ridiculous out of wedlock birth rate in the city or the pathetic city school district attendance rate - two huge reasons why many city residents are worse off then 50 years ago.

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Posted by Animule on 07/17/2014 at 4:46 PM

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Wow. Great to see an in-depth piece from Mark Hare in City. Thanks for the clear thinking and excellent writing.

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Posted by Jim on 07/17/2014 at 2:37 PM

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I'll add another ten. Wait until gasoline costs $10 per gallon, and the suburbanites will be lining up to buy homes in the city.

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Posted by Tom on 07/17/2014 at 12:15 PM

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And, I use my name and address as I am not afraid to hide behind anonymity.

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Posted by crm135790 on 07/17/2014 at 10:06 AM

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Yes it does Rochester Musician... I never lock my doors while driving and am not afraid to go to any section of Rochester and have lived in the worst of areas. And, have continued to try and bring both sides together.

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Posted by crm135790 on 07/17/2014 at 10:05 AM

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Craig, so if someone is concerned about one's safety in areas of the city known to be high in crime, that means they are racist? I really don't think that's a good conclusion.

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Posted by Rochester Musician on 07/17/2014 at 10:01 AM

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