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Re: “The US, the super-rich, and the Great Society

the word "society" in todays world. well, when the 'well off' refer to the poor in a negative way they say "society" doesnt approve. For example, "society" is the 'well off 'and everyone else, the poor are not part of this "society" in fact it seems to mean that "society" are the total of the country and everyone else, the poor are not rteally citizens at all. Its what "society" thinks about the poor. They hate them and blame them for things. Blame the victims punish the victims. The poor are not seen as part of "society" Im not taking about the very rich, just the 'well off'. People who dont understand or know what its like to be poor. Maybe they are not meant to understand. But it set them apart. Segregates them. I think these people within the so called "society" are more socialiy isolated than the poor. The poor have to look after and care for the poor. No one else will. The poor should stop looking to the govenment or the rich to help them. They wont. As a poor person I have a "responsibility" to look out for other poor people. Coz I understand.

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Posted by sonya ash pryor on 05/23/2014 at 12:14 PM

Re: “The US, the super-rich, and the Great Society

Where's the justice in a former corporate lawyer and political spouse pulling down a cool five million dollars in the past year for "speaking" (something the rest of us do every day for nothing)? Yet this newspaper will ostentatiously champion her cause in 2016 and pronounce it a victory for wymynkind.

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Posted by b.d.g. on 05/23/2014 at 9:40 AM

Re: “Segregation forever

Make Parents responsible for their Children. The Majority of the RCSD students have no Parental Control as determined by their behavior. Manners Respect and the difference between right and wrong are not being taught or enforced by the Parents of the children we are trying to educate. We need to segregate students who are unruly and spoil the RCSD for others. Special internment facilities were intensive education can be instilled on the Students who are not Educational because of faulty Parents. Remove the Parent out of the equation orif they chose accept a role in thier childrens education. Simple huh? If you cannot speak proper English how can you prepare your child to learn? If you do not teach your child manners then how are they going to be responsible citizens? Stop coddling the Parents. Hold them responsible for their failure as Parents. Why should we tolerate a segment of Society that refuses to be apart of our collective society and doesn't want to make any effort to improve themselves.

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Posted by Jimmy65 on 05/22/2014 at 3:43 PM

Re: “The US, the super-rich, and the Great Society

By and large, the super-rich—from Buffett, to Wall Street, to the New York Times's billionaire owners, to Hollywood and Silicon Valley—are liberal Democrats who support the same causes and candidates the editorial writer does. Sometimes it's prudent to be careful what we wish for.

Contrary to the editorial, unfortunately, you do need some grasp of economics to make sense of Piketty’s theory and its flaws. Common sense will suffice, however, to recognize that the Obama regime's zeal in pandering to rich white environmentalist ideologues and other so-called "progressive" interests—let alone the health care debacle—has produced nothing but stagnation, joblessness, dependency, and misery.

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Posted by b.d.g. on 05/21/2014 at 11:21 PM

Re: “The US, the super-rich, and the Great Society

Well, under Obama rule the rich have gotten richer and the number of poor has swelled. Middle class shrank.

So....your solution is more of these same policies?

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Posted by johnny on 05/21/2014 at 6:22 PM

Re: “The US, the super-rich, and the Great Society

The government has helped the 1% get where they are! The question is how people will react to the facts. Will they demand political action from our leaders!

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Posted by joe on 05/21/2014 at 3:17 PM

Re: “Can anyone 'turn around' a Rochester high school?

Somebody who doesn't work, has very little education, hasn't been taught the difference between wrong and right by their single mother parent, and has children. Probably doesn't know that they should participate in their child's education. Until we fix the family we won't be able to fix the schools. Successive generations have proven this. We are bound to fail if we allow this to proceed.

We need shame school. Children whose parents fail to be involved in the education of their children should be segregated to special schools or containment facilities until the time that the parents teach their children manners courtesy and respect and show some level of involvement in their child's education so as to not spoil the whole system for those that properly raise their children. In my neighborhood the children that cause the most trouble are the children of Parents who make little or no effort to raise them. One more year until I have saved enough money to leave our city. I won't be looking back either. I will fire all my employees, sell all my properties and leave this god forsaken place.

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Posted by Jimmy65 on 05/19/2014 at 6:11 PM

Re: “Can anyone 'turn around' a Rochester high school?

Some would argue that, in addition to RCSD's 9-12 students being beyond educability, RCSD itself is beyond repair. Read about a couple of successful strategies for urban districts at…

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Posted by Elizabeth Laidlaw on 05/15/2014 at 8:47 AM

Re: “Can anyone 'turn around' a Rochester high school?

Four part-time town councilors ask the Almighty to enlighten their deliberations, and to bestow blessings upon the town and townsfolk. No sect is established or disestablished, nobody's liberty is infringed -- and anybody who goes to the trouble of taking offense surely has way too much time on his hands! Oh, the unholy horror of it all!

The politicization of the federal courts began with the tidal wave of left-wing judicial activism throughout the 1960s and early 1970s, culminating in the fabrication of a supposed "right" to murder an unborn baby. Then in 1987, the abortion industry and its hard left extremist allies unleashed a savage full-on political assault against a superbly qualified Supreme Court nominee, Judge Robert Bork. More than anything else, it was this shameful campaign by the hard left that permanently damaged the integrity of the nomination process and the reputation of the Court. (It is absurd that the Liptak article fails to even mention this.)

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Posted by b.d.g. on 05/14/2014 at 10:41 PM

Re: “Can anyone 'turn around' a Rochester high school?

We need to have two teachers or a teaching assistant with every teacher in K-1 classrooms.

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Posted by salmorejo on 05/14/2014 at 6:10 PM

Re: “Can anyone 'turn around' a Rochester high school?

You are right about starting earlier and almost every RCSD elementary school can use help because the students are behind. This only grows with age as the necessary intimacy between teachers and students goes away. But let it be known that the huge gaps kids enter kindergarten with can be overcome with focused, intensive, long-term and consistent intervention and enrichment. The district does none of these things with fidelity.
The keys grades for saving kids are 5-8. Most students, particularly minority males decide to give up or fight on during these grades. There are aligned factors the district could/should be monitoring to stop the eventual failure in high school but they don't.

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Posted by Gotta Say It on 05/14/2014 at 10:49 AM

Re: “Deconstructing Cuomo

" Cuomo is a social liberal, economic moderate, like Bill Clinton, who presided over the greatest peacetime expansion of the US economy in history. Clinton made Cuomo his Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. See the connections? Good. "--howard

Bill Clinton was fotunate enough to be president during the computer and internet boom that made many millionaires and billionaires, amd fortunately was to busy cheating on his wife to disrupt the economy.

Coumo was in charge of HUD, in which the housing colapse caused this whole mess of the last few years. Remember when banks were ordered to give mortgages to people who couldn't really afford them? And of course the banks and it's brokers were blamed for it all.

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Posted by johnny on 05/08/2014 at 8:58 PM

Re: “Deconstructing Cuomo

You’re joking, right? Cuomo a ‘moderate’? If a politician walks, talks and acts like a liberal, he’s a liberal. Look at his agenda of things he’s supported: gay marriage, gun control with confiscation, free college degrees for prisoners, free tuition for illegal immigrants, income surcharge on ‘the rich’ and expanded abortion laws. He certainly leans to left although not quite as far as NY Mayor DeBlaisio. Cuomo promotes himself as a fiscal moderate, but despite all his talk about the “New New York” being “open for business” nothing has changed. NY is still the highest-taxed and most business-unfriendly state. And now we’ve just been pronounced the worst state to retire in. New York is number one! In all the worst categories. No wonder we also lead the nation in population loss.

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Posted by Bart on 05/08/2014 at 10:00 AM

Re: “Deconstructing Cuomo

Last one to leave New York State, please turn out the light.

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Posted by b.d.g. on 05/07/2014 at 6:15 PM

Re: “Deconstructing Cuomo

No, Cuomo is a liberal. Not by the "progressive" label people like to throw around. Nor is Obama a "progressive." He's a liberal. Gay marriage? Passed. Temporary surcharge on higher incomes? Passed. Sweeping gun control law? Passed. Women's Equality Act? Failed due to Republican interference. The problem is too many of NY's Democrats are so-called "progressives" who believe in taxing everyone to the Stone Age. Higher taxes, no jobs is not progressive. It is regressive and unfair. Cuomo is a social liberal, economic moderate, like Bill Clinton, who presided over the greatest peacetime expansion of the US economy in history. Clinton made Cuomo his Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. See the connections? Good.

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Posted by howard on 05/07/2014 at 2:53 PM

Re: “Segregation forever

Interested readers might want to refer to the study of Montgomery County, Maryland Schools for proof that breaking up concentrated poverty does indeed work.

Select families move to an affluent district. Housing subsidies are part of the program.

The better the school the students were relocated to, the better the transplanted students did.

This solution was found superior to not moving families and just spending more money.

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Posted by Mike Bruton on 05/01/2014 at 6:21 PM

Re: “Segregation forever

@b.d.g.: Sorry for making a second post but I felt the need to respond to your post. Which government school monopoly are you speaking of? Today, there are public schools (govt monopoly?), private schools (parochial and non-parochial), charter schools, and home schooling. All are acceptable options to prepare a children for success and to continue with a college education, if desired. I am not sure I see a monopoly here and parents certainly already have a choice. Unfortunately, there are many reasons it is hard, and sometimes impossible, for a parent to to take advantage of these choices. These are the issues we need to address. However, to blame a non-existent government monopoly and cry for choices that already exist seems a little underwhelming. I am a supporter of small government, individual freedom, and accountability. However to ignore the basic facts make overly simplistic arguments will not solve the real problem.

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Posted by Concerned Citizen on 05/01/2014 at 12:50 PM

Re: “Segregation forever

This position is fundamentally flawed. The lack of integration is not the reason the system is not working. To your point, poverty (and the struggles it presents) are one of the key reasons for our school systems failure. Student success requires parental involvement, emphasis on the importance of education, and the resources to fully support their child's participation. This problem starts at the elementary level. If you were exposed to the daily happenings at a city elementary school, you would see that the lack of parental ability (or desire) to support their child's education is a massive hurdle to success. Perpetual poverty is certainly a large contributor to this issue. However, parents inability to support their children's education does not improve simply because we bus the kids off to the suburbs. I am quite confident that a parent who can't get their child on the bus to the city school will also struggle to get their child on a bus to the suburbs. The current system of school choice offers a parallel. Parents already have the option to send their children to "better, more affluent" neighborhoods to get a better education. This clearly has not helped and you only help make my point with school 23. A mostly white affluent neighborhood (i.e. think suburbs) and the system still fails. Until we enable the support system that these children need create an environment for success, we will continue to fail. This will take ground root actions to turn around. Our best chance of success is to empower parents to improve their local, neighborhood school. If parents care, schools improve and then neighborhoods improve. We can't just bus these kids away and expect the problem to fix itself.

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Posted by Concerned Citizen on 05/01/2014 at 11:32 AM

Re: “Segregation forever

I do believe there is a way to return our schools buildings to healthy socioeconomic diversity. The solution must be local. The first step requires the community clearly understands how we got here. Read more at…

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Posted by Elizabeth Laidlaw on 05/01/2014 at 9:15 AM

Re: “Segregation forever

Do disadvantaged families really want to see their children bused all over the county in order to assuage liberal editorial writers' white guilt?

Abolish the government school monopoly and let the families who know and love a child decide for themselves how to educate her and where to send her to school. As the editorial says, absolutely every other conceivable option has been tried, and the results only get worse.

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Posted by b.d.g. on 05/01/2014 at 12:10 AM

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