Just give it up already! People have and will always smoke pot whether it is legal or not. I can probably buy pot with a few phone calls on any day in Rochester. It's not crappy brick weed smuggled in by dangerous drug cartels, it's high-quality bud that is probably grown in New York State.
It blows my mind that doctors can still give out legal heroin and meth (pain pills and Adderall), but pot is still vilified. To use a crusty cliche, the cat is already out of the bag. It's legal in Colorado and Washington, just legalize it and tax it already!
"I wish Governor Cuomo would stop treating us like children." How about former NYC mayor Bloomberg's failed attempt to ban 32 ounce sodas, and current mayor deBlasio's plan to impose the ban again? New York is not the Empire State anymore; it's the Nanny State.
The criminal element that supplies Marijuana will continue to cultivate it and sell it. It will continue to be unregulated and untaxed. Maybe for the better. Those that currently smoke will still have access to it. The Police will arrest the few offenders that fall through the cracks and the drop in the bucket will continue. We will pay for the minorities in the community that get caught in the bucket that is the drug war to go to prison.
NYS still has way too many smokers. Why are cigarettes still legal here? Why does the tobacco industry support e-cigarettes? Look, both cigarettes and marijuana contain all sorts of chemical compounds. And vaping is a gateway to smoking; whatever the high someone's after.
I wish Governor Cuomo would stop treating us like children. What a waste of money that NYS is spending on all those grotesque tv ads of people coughing and of those ravaged by cancer. Cigarettes are taxed so incredibly high and people still won't give them up. Why not some positive incentives? How about raising the minimum wage for non-smokers? They're worth more!
How dare Greece Supervisor Bill Reilich rejected as "wacky" a requests to give the invocationfrom a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. personally have been touched by His Noodly Appendage and I have faith She exists. Who gave Bill the power over my faith.!
As with everything the Democrats do, bias is always ironically against them. The media is biased but against the anti-corporate side. They tend to pick the side who seems to have momentum on their side, and thusly the winners. In 2007 and 2008, the media was softer on Obama than Clinton and then on McCain. Once Obama won, everything pivoted. By July or August when the "tea party" began its odious rise, the narrative had swung against Obama and the idea that the Democrats would lose Congress became gospel; it didn't need to be. The only reason the Senate was saved was because the Republicans nominated such extreme "not-ready-for-any-time" candidates like Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell. Then 2012, though still very critical, the narrative briefly swung back to Obama, enough to propel turnout for Democrats to keep the Senate (and elect several liberals, like Tammy Baldwin, Chris Murphy and Elizabeth Warren). Once that was over though, Obama essentially became a lame duck when the Senate refused to pass gun control legislation. Now the narrative is doom-and-gloom for Democrats. It is NOT fair but it is life.
As a Bible believing born again Christian, a US citizen and
resident of of Greece I think this is wonderful. We need more
inclusion, not less. We need more viewpoints, not fewer. We want
to encourage expression, not squelch it. I'm proud to live in the
Town of Greece where the expression of diverse views are welcome.
The Supreme Court's decision was wise. There is an appropriate
place for religious spiritual and moral expression in our civic
The Compassionate Care Act was a slippery slope. Governor Cuomo demanded changes to this bill to make sure there would be no unintended consequences.
Hopefully, someday, a future governor will advocate full legalization of cannabis. This really would be the best way for the government to get off of people's backs while raising much needed revenue.
"Well if people want Morelle to "represent" them, they need to tell him their ideas, press him on it."
Morelle and all of the other Cuomo toadies don't want your ideas or input. Refer to the NY SAFE act. Enough said.
Imagine New York State today if, instead of being bullied by Fracking starting six years ago, we had focused on renewables.
The great tragedy of this six-year Fracking debacle in New York State is that it has stolen everyone’s attention from the real problem—energy and Climate Change. There’s a great danger that humanity’s inability to see the big picture and only focus on the political and economic fights stirred up by the self-interests of a few will render our life support system null and void.
For those who are hell bent on hammering the present need and existence of fossil fuels, no one thinks that the transformation from fossil fuels to renewables can be done immediately—it’s a change of direction we need, from a energy source that does destroy our environment to one that doesn’t. The quicker the better.
More on Energy in our area: http://www.rochesterenvironment.com/energy…
"He (Cuomo) threatened to veto the well planned and thoughtful Compassionate Care Act and then he rammed through a bill that reflected his misguided belief..."
No way! I'm SHOCKED that Cuomo would pass legislation this way. Oh wait. I just remembered his NY SAFE gun control act. Nevermind.
Well if people want Morelle to "represent" them, they need to tell him their ideas, press him on it. "Cuomo acted like a bully toward patients..." Cuomo acts like a bully toward ANYONE who disagrees with him b/c he IS a bully. What else is new?
Simply our lack of support from the State is because Mr. Morrelle and the rest of our local state pols have not done their jobs. Yet each and every one of them will get reelected.
Greece seems like its full of Hateful Catholics. I won't be going there and spending anymore of my money there. I'm pretty sure I am not welcome there anyways....
Cuomo acted like a bully towards the patients and their caregivers in the final days of the legislature. He threatened to veto the well planned and thoughtful Compassionate Care Act andthen he rammed through a bill that reflected his misguided belief that medical marijuana was a law enforcement issue. He deserves to be tossed out through the Democratic primary process. Progressives should get behind the Teachout/Wu campaign. Go to www.zephyrteachout.com to learn more about the campaign.
Invoking the Spanish Inquisition. Equating Galloway v. Town of Greece with the Scopes trial. Expecting us to believe the First Amendment establishes atheism as the State religion. Expecting us to believe prayer to open Congressional House and Senate sessions is a violation of the First Amendment. Methinks the secular fundamentalists doth protest too much.
There aren't enough audiences for all the religious talkers out there. Greece Supervisor Bill Reilich should keep opening prayers brief. Why does he bring people in who never want to stop talking? When Reilich says "Amen", I think there is a feeling of unity and shared relief that the speaker has finally finished!
I find it outrageous how some are twisting words and twisting history to make their point. The reason the Founders established freedom of religion was to prevent a national church, such as the Church of England in the UK, from being established. They did NOT oppose religion. John Adams was a Christian Deist; look it up. Please read The Founders on God and Government and quit making attacks on people trying to set the record straight. Many of the Founders supported days of prayer and thanksgiving (Washington issued several such proclamations, despite not being a communicant in the Episcopal Church). Most of the Founders believed in some degree of Christian thought (what is now considered cultural Christianity), because the overwhelming majority of people in this country in the 1790s believed in the Christian religion. And the fact is that 65% of people in Greece are Roman Catholic and ought to be given more consideration than a handful of disgruntled atheists who do not have the right to run roughshod over the majority. While people of faith (like ME) respect the rights of non-believers or others, such as Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc., it doesn't mean we should have to listen to nonsense about their not being respected. In many countries, not being the official religion results in prison, torture and death. If people don't want to listen to Christian prayer at a meeting of mostly Christians in a heavily Republican and Catholic town, they should try putting cotton in their ears or arriving AFTER the invocation. Do what Washington did when Communion was served in the Episcopal Church: Leave along with the other non-communicants and return for the invocation. Leave while the prayers are going on or come after them. Or sit respectfully like people once did, keep your mouth shut and bear it.
Steve is correct in pointing out the many government bodies who begin sessions with invocations. While I strongly favor elimination of all this superstitious nonsense within our government, there are several things that make the situation in Greece especially troublesome. First, as I said in my previous post, the invocations in Greece have gone off the rails. These are not invocations that convey any respect for those present who are not practicing Christians. You can listen to a sample at: http://wxxinews.org/post/connections-discu… . The replay of the invocation begins some 5 minutes into the program.
Second (a point made in the court's dissenting opinions), a town board meeting is not at all like a legislative session. Regular citizens are coming in to make their case to their town government, "to petition for redress of grievances". Imagine you are a non-Christian coming to one of the meetings to speak, to try to persuade the board members to weigh your concerns in making their decisions. First thing you are confronted with is a highly sectarian prayer. You can either pretend to be one of these Christians, or else you need to identify yourself as an outsider, not of this club. Of course, as a resident of the town, you are not an outsider. but the invocation certainly stamps you as one. The board members all "amen" right along with almost everyone else. So are you now made to feel like you've got a prayer (pun intended) of your views being considered impartially?
None of the Christians I know would condone the intolerance being expressed in these invocations. I can only hope that a large contingent of attendees at these gatherings start walking out for each and every one of these invocations. C'mon Grecians, how 'bout standing up (and walking out) for what's right!
"The U.S. Senate and House start their sessions with prayer every day."
But they shouldn't. Prayer before a session begins is not establishment of religion. Prayer as part of opening a session is, and that is illegal per Amendment I.
"The President of the United States has participated in the National Prayer Breakfast for the last 61 years."
But shouldn't participate as President, only as a private citizen. The National Prayer Breakfast should not be sponsored by government . That is establishment of religion, prohibited by Amendment I.
"There are chaplains in every branch of the armed forces to tend to the spiritual needs of its members."
In due keeping with freedom of religious practice, also under Amendment I, yes. But these should be provided at the expense of their respective religious or philosophical organizations, not at government expense. That is establishment of religion, i.e. illegal.
"Law enforcement, fire departments and hospitals have chaplains as do public universities."
See above, these should not be provided using public funds, nor should their ministries be part of any official activities. That is establishment of religion, illegal.
"Many of the Founding Fathers such as John Adams were Deists"
Adams certainly was not a Deist. He believed in miracles and Jesus as the redeemer of humanity.
"The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the blackguard Paine say what he will."
(Adams's diary entry for 26 July 1796, in response to having read Paine's Deistic criticisms of Christianity in his book _Age of Reason_ )
"Thomas Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible."
Which excluded all reference to any supernatural trait or event. Jefferson actually was a Deist, though he didn't identify himself as such. However Jefferson also wrote the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, and in fact considered it one of his greatest accomplishments, even more so than his Presidency since the Statute is included in his self-chosen epitaph while his Presidency is not.
Some choice quotes from that Statute: "to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical"-- "forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness" -- "our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than our opinions in physics or geometry" -- "to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy which at once destroys all religious liberty" -- "all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of Religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge or affect their civil capacities"
"86% of the people in Greece according to the Census are Christian."
Which means exactly nothing in this context, according to Amendment I.
"An overwhelming 65% are Roman Catholic."
Also meaningless here.
"Majority rules in this country."
But not absolutely, nor even within the framework of the law, which seeks to secure the liberty of all, minorities very much included.
"The fact that a small handful of shrill atheists"
It doesn't matter who the minority is or how shrill they are. Replace 'shrill atheists' in this sentence with 'uppity blacks' or 'stingy Jews' or 'bra-burning feminists' and you may realize how bigoted it is.
"want to ram their opinion of a Godless world down everyone else's throat"
In case you don't know, this is called a 'straw man' -- a lie told to distort the perception of something or someone you oppose -- it's simply not true that atheists opposing 'official prayer' are trying to force their opinion on others, what they're trying to do is get government to follow the actual letter of the law per Amendment I in keeping with the important reasons it exists.
"doesn't mean they should be allowed to run roughshod."
The people really running roughshod in this matter are the Christians of the town of Greece. That's the whole point, which you seem to have missed entirely.
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