No one is being denied access through this ruling. Why do those on the left side of the isle keep saying this?
"Morelle says that while Buffalo has received more state financial aid than Rochester, it's not much more. When you add the money that the city's received for Eastman Business Park, Midtown, the University of Rochester, and Rochester Institute of Technology, he says, Rochester's financial aid is almost on par with Buffalo's.
Sorry Joe, but that is a lie. Buffalo has gotten more projects than these, in addition to the Buffalo Billion. Buffalo has traditionally gotten up to 10x as much as us for equivalent projects. Buffalo waterfront $300 million-Rochester waterfront $14 million. $7 million of our own money from selling Hemlock and Canadice lakes. $100 million for the Richardson towers renovation. $240 million for 2 football stadium renovations. Buffalo got to keep the 716 area code, costing our businesses millions and then they help create laws that keep all of the Federally funded hydro power away from Rochester.
I've been reading the Buffalo newpapers for decades, and believe me, we have gotten scr---wed.
Joe Morelle is a politician that "represents" us. Please tell us how sending our money to the city next door helps your constituents. A Brookings Institute study said it perfectly--Kodak, Xerox and B&L were so robust that our government never had to do anything about economic development. Over the last few years when the big 3 started losing ground, our government was sitting on their hands. The shame is, they still are.
I would agree. Buffalo needed a lot more help so he started there, its only a matter of time for Rochester.
Buffalo will always be a town full of blue collar mentality, Buffalonians embrace their simpleton ways. Rochester thinks bigger and you find people in Rochester think a little bigger. Rochester is slower to change and adapt than larger cities, but every small city is like that. Of course Rochester has a blue collar portion (the entire West Side) but it isnt all encompassing like it is in Buffalo.
Buffalo will always beat us on a few things, gorgeous old architecture (they had no urban renewal, there were no businesses in Buffalo and no money there from the 50's-80"s when urban renewal was highly regarded) and major league sports. But if the owners of the sports franchises were smart, they would make the Sabres and Bills regional teams like the New England Patriots. It would make them far more money.
The way many of us see it, it's not Freedom of Religion, but Freedom FROM Religion. While the founding fathers may have wanted to protect the rights to practice any religion, the overarching point is that there would be no national religion established.
The point is to protect us from ever having an Inquisition here.
The point of separation of church and state is to prevent us from being asked to bow our heads and close our eyes in a room where all parties should have their eyes open, and focused.
Steve - you are misinformed about the constitutional purpose in guaranteeing freedom of religion. The fact is that freedom of religion was SPECIFICALLY put into the constitution to protect minor religions from the predations of major religions like Christianity. That specifically large orthodox churches of various denominations could not jam THEIR Christian beliefs down others throats. The freedom of religion clause specifically forbade the government from adopting a single religion of any sort as their "base" religion. In that way the very people you named guaranteed that people like yourself could not - even if they were in the majority - dictate what religion people were exposed to as part of government. In the case of freedom of religion the majority most certainly should NOT rule.
Too bad that Dan Courtney is going to deliver an inclusive invocation. This will demonstrate absolutely nothing about the principle at stake here. If Greece had been hosting inclusionary invocations, there would have been no court case. I heard samples of these invocation on 1370 Connections -- WOW!!. I wish I could find transcripts of them to point you to, because until you hear what was being said at these invocations, you cannot get to an informed opinion on the matter. Most callers into Connections said that they were in favor of the invocations until they heard the tapes. These invocations trashed non-Christian religions and their followers in the most blatant and insulting way. That the Supremes could have ruled in their favor without at least a scolding for allowing such divisive hateful utterances is evidence of just how UNrepresentative these guys are -- this Gang of Five white, Catholic guys, with their ridiculously idolatrous view of the Founding Fathers.
I believe the Town of Greece is viewed in the nation kind of like Dayton Tennessee was following Scopes. I really hope it doesn't besmirch our whole region.
So glad I don't live in an intolerant place like Greece NY.
The U.S. Senate and House start their sessions with prayer every day. The President of the United States has participated in the National Prayer Breakfast for the last 61 years. There are chaplains in every branch of the armed forces to tend to the spiritual needs of its members. Law enforcement, fire departments and hospitals have chaplains as do public universities. Many of the Founding Fathers such as John Adams were Deists who believed that religion was good for one's moral character, even if they rejected the orthodoxy of religion. Thomas Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible. 86% of the people in Greece according to the Census are Christian. An overwhelming 65% are Roman Catholic. Majority rules in this country. The fact that a small handful of shrill atheists want to ram their opinion of a Godless world down everyone else's throat doesn't mean they should be allowed to run roughshod.
Greece; Critical Thinking Rediscovered
Thank you Dan Courtney…for reminding us that men and women are capable of critical thinking to make moral decisions without relying on the god's to determine (let alone agree upon) what’s right and wrong.
Joe Morelle is "mindful" ? Since when ?????
I would like to call out our good friends at the Greece town board. They claim to universally accept faiths, and indeed spent (how much?) money taking a claim to the supreme court to support their stance that prayer belongs at a governmental meeting. Their claim was that they allow "all faiths" to offer up a prayer and yet they ridicule faiths such as Paganism and Pastafarianism in the public media claiming they're not going to allow members of those faiths to provide opening prayers. Apparently they get to decide what are "serious" faiths. I am an ordained pastafarian minister, and yet they didn't even deign to give my application to offer up a prayer a reply. Another friend with pagan beliefs got a similar shrug off.
Freedom of religion does not mean free to be Christian or not religious. It means ALL religions are treated equally - whether YOU happen to believe in them or not. This is a lesson the Greece board still needs to learn. Their insistence at being inclusive of religion in the town of Greece, means they must be inclusive, not exclusive. ALL religions, regardless of their "seriousness" in their eyes.
Hurrah! for Dan Courtney offering an Atheist invocation at a Town of Greece monthly Town Board meeting, though it might be just as well if there were no invocations of any kind at any of our governmental meetings. I’m not a Justice Scalia, but from my readings of the US Constitution there’s a clear desire by our Founding Fathers to separate church and state.
If our mass interest in faith were any measure of our collective judicious processes, you’d think the moral imperative to solve Climate Change would rule, but it doesn’t--at least on any scale that will matter. The poor of our nation and the nations that didn’t cause Climate Change are going to get hit the first and the hardest by Climate Change and yet when we try to address this profound immorality, like in the previous 20+ Climate talks, we tend to fail.
Squabbling about who gets to say what before a governmental meeting is a tempest in a teapot. Rather we should focus on the decisions taking place at these governmental meetings and if faith has any merit at all it should shine through.
CBD = Can't Be Done (republican code)
the greatest plant in the universe is almost free, LET FREEDOM RING! 13
ENLIGHTENMENT...i was a brainwashed evil, mean, christian conservative until i tried it at 17 years old...i hated gays, immigrants, women's rights, blacks, marijuana, i was Rush Limbaugh's #1 fan....until i smoked marijuana, changed the world....hope the EVIL POPE is enjoying the marijuana revolution around the globe, keeping the flock brainwashed and against marijuana, gays, and women's rights...you don't deny ease from pain and suffering for billions of people unless you are PURE EVIL...
1000s of my friends and family have grown 30-99 plants for 20 years, thanks for keeping prices high and NORCAL wealthy...#1 crop in cali = $15 Billion Untaxed...
"any doctor against marijuana is a doctor of death" - cali secret 420
from 0 states to half the country, from low 20% approval to almost 70%, cali runs this planet by 2 decades, time to tie marijuana to the 2014, 2016 elections, out with the old, in with the new
20 years behind us southern states and NEW YORK, sad and scary....nobody denies freedoms like the south, nobody…the top ten incarcerators on the planet are southern states and more blacks are in prison then were slaves before the civil war...even if marijuana reforms did pass the republiCANTS in charge would deny you all your freedoms, centuries of practice...no matter though, we never planned on getting your backwards brethren from day one, half the country already but not one southern state, lol...not 1….the new generations are taking over in the south and they are nothing like their freedom denying parents, let’s ride…
Deaths by Alcohol: Millions
Deaths by Tobacco: Millions
Deaths by Prescription Drugs: Quadrupled in last decade
Deaths by Guns: Millions
Deaths by the food we are fed: Millions
Deaths by Marijuana: 0, ever...they are killing my American family while denying freedom
love and freedom forever
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The New York State Legislature has declared that marijuana is a medicine, defined the afflictions that it is to be prescribed for, who will grow it and dispense it, and the form in which will be administered. Our legislators will instruct medical doctors on how it is to be prescribed. I wonder when anyone in New York government earned degrees in medicine that makes them expert enough to write medical-related laws? I recall a TV commercial in which an actor says “I’m not a doctor but I play one on TV” That would seem to apply here. I didn’t hear anything about the NY legislators consulting with the American Medical Association or any other physician organizations on their opinion of “medical” marijuana. No pharmaceutical companies were consulted that I am aware of. It makes me wonder what else our legislators can define as “medicine” - magnets? mineral water? mushrooms? Tic Tacs?
Although I am thrilled that a direction for East has been chosen, I do worry. Where will the kids go who don't measure up? These are the kids we need to find a place for.
Very disappointing that Mr. Glazer subscribes to the fallacy that parking in suburban areas is "free." It's not free, it's just bundled into the cost of the development. If tenants or residents or employees of suburban development had to pay the $2,500-$3,500 land and construction costs PER SPACE for surface parking lots, the thinking on "free" parking might be very different.
It's very disheartening to hear Mr. Glazer say that without parking "you have almost nothing to give people." That's an extremely pessimistic view of the city, in my opinion. Without parking you still have the architecture, art, culture, streets, parks, history and community of the city, things that don't exist to the same degree in auto-oriented suburban areas with "free" parking.
Parking may be, as Mr. Glazer says, "a fact of life" here and now. But unless progressive developers seek to change that and help nudge the market in a different direction by offering mobility choices (unbundled parking costs, developer or employer paid transit passes, bicycle storage rooms and shower facilities, car sharing arrangements, etc.) this community will perpetuate the vicious cycle of more parking, leading to streets that people don't want to walk down, leading to more people driving and demanding parking at the front door. Downtown becomes nothing more than a handful of nicely rehabbed buildings appended to parking garages.
Some of Mr. Glazer's apparent views on downtown reminded me of a conversation I once had with a real estate broker who said "I get calls from clients all the time that want to be downtown. They just want cheap, convenient parking." Well, then, those clients don't really want to be downtown. They say they do, but they really have no clue about how real urban places truly function. I feel like that mentality is frustratingly pervasive in Rochester: people say they want downtown to succeed, but when it comes down to the details and the sacrifices they might have to make, like maybe taking the bus, or parking a few blocks away from their destination, or interacting with people who might not be the same class, race, or mental health status as you, people from this region just get lazy and find the McMansions of the P towns and the office parks of Victor too easy.
How about a week of jazz and a week of country, a week of rock, a week of classical?
BTW Rochester used to have 5 Fortune 500 companies headquarters. Not sure, but I've heard that Constellation Brands is a F500 company
To say that we make Rochester a music city is a GREAT IDEA but Rochester is already a music city ( training, education and new music testing ground). However, there are no Major Record Labels in Rochester and an over abundance of musical talent beyond belief. As well, there are not enough music venues of mid-size and larger to support making Rochester a Music City like Nashville, Los Angelos,or New York City ( only 5 hours south of Rochester). Great idea but if I had a lot of money, and based upon past experience, would not risk anything ( financial) but on medical, service, info tech., manufacturing, and green technology businesses. I believe the winter weather has a great impact upon a music city too... It's too darn cold and snowy to go out and play in mid-size clubs and expect people to drive to support the music played in any mid-size club. Which brings up the issue of mas transportation. With only 210,000 residents a good mass transit system is not sustainable without heavy, local taxpayer support . In the summer we are jammed with National Acts from around the Country. When winter sets in around the 1 st week of January it is all over and then clubs, musicians and promoters suffer the consequences.
I am very pleased with the hard work that has made the International Jazz Festival what it is today. Thank You to Mr. Nugent and all others. Now let's take some of the money that has been made and put it to use on what is important and needed in Inner Rochester.
Programs like Teen Empowerment that take kids off the streets and change their outlook and teach them to live moral lives. Programs like these stop the murder, violence and drug use at the early stage. As Ms. Towler says... the downtown area has plenty of investors such as " Glazer isn't the only one. Morgan Management, Mark IV, Gary Stern, John Billone, and others continue to invest in downtown and nearby neighborhoods".
Yet ,I cannot help to believe more of these developers and their money could help programs grow such as Teen Empowerment. The sooner we help teens that do not have " good" parents with guidance the sooner all streets will be safer for all areas of Rochester. Not just downtown...
Craig R. Moffitt
Ms. Towler, every year you indeed do comment on how the Jazz Fest gives us a glimpse of what the city could be. There me a connection to this anecdote- over the last decade or so, many of my fellow musicians in Rochester have noted that the music scene has picked, we all work a lot more than we used to (fifteen or twenty years ago).
Maybe some Rochesterians have learned that live music is really fun and they want to support it more often than once a year? Maybe less suburban people are afraid of "the city" than they used to be? They went to the jazz fest and the boogie man got them, but in a good way?
I'm probably naive in saying this, but if the jazz fest gives us a glimpse of what we could be, why weep about our lack of Fortune 500 companies? We have one of the most musical cities in the country; is it possible that re-branding and investing in Rochester as a music city, rather than a tech and financial city, could be the path to take Rochester into fully realizing herself?
Another related note: The RCSD (with the help of the Rochester Education Foundation) has been investing heavily in the musical education of its students. If that trend continues, perhaps all of Rochester's residents will get a taste of how music can transform individuals and communities.
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