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      <![CDATA[With reciprocal respect Mr. Fireball Junior I do believe there are thousands who do care but for a variety of reasons missed the widespread media exposure. Regretfully and to my embarrassment I was one of them.
        
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      <![CDATA[With all due respect to Ms. Allinger, there are a number of Otterness public artworks on display throughout New York City (<a href="http://www.tomostudio.com/exhibitions_publicart_landing.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.tomostudio.com/exhibitions_publ&hellip;</a>). And most of the Rochester community is unaware of his dog-killing film?
        
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      <![CDATA[We are deeply disappointed that MAG decided to proceed with the installation of Otterness sculptures after they became aware of the horrific film he made and in spite of protest from the Rochester community. Both NYC and San Francisco refused to display Otterness sculpture, so why did Rochester not follow their lead?
        
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      <![CDATA[I drive past MAG nearly every day. It has been a pleasure seeing Otterness's work installed and even seeing the sculptor putting finishing touches on his sculpture of a sculptor.
        
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      <![CDATA[Given his artistic track record,  I wonder if in a few years Otterness will also be apologizing for his MAG sculptures?
        
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      <![CDATA[Simplification is needed here, once and for all. One must really examine how artist's applications for commissions "objectively" arrive and become "objectively"  considered  before art boards to begin with and ask this:  If someone, in the name of "art", shot the dog (or family pet) of, say, the MAG director or  one of the MAG staff or curators, let the animal slowly bleed to death while filming it, then looped the slow and painful death in an art show and then applied to the MAG to do an expensive commission, would this individual get a commission from that museum for anything?
        
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      <![CDATA[ClaudeGlasses  - Excellent piece ! <br>
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Instead of a docent  I at first thought of suggesting that you use  MAG director Grant Holcomb .  Then I realized  that, a) Holcomb hasn't the decency to discuss his decision publicly ,  and b) his reported "explanations" to date as to why he (and his stooges on the board) selected Otterness despite knowing his background have been far too convoluted and incomprehensible for the kiddies (or adults for that matter) to follow. <br>
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I've always wondered if Otterness owes his success in conning, I mean persuading Holcomb & Co. to commission his work by making a killer presentation?
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:00:29 -0500</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[I can imagine the docents now: "And now children, if you'll look here, these sculptures of dogs are done by Tom Otterness. Both New York City and San Francisco rejected his works.
        
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      <![CDATA[Chain DeLoye ...The issue of morality and forgiveness needs to be put into context in this situation.<br>
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If a police officer abused and harassed  an  innocent  individual  we might forgive him but we'd say he'd disgraced his badge and demand his ouster from the force. And we wouldn't expect any other police force to hire him.<br>
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If a bank teller dipped  into the till  we might forgive him but we 'd say he should be arrested for abusing his position  and we'd agree that no other bank should hire him.<br>
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If a high school  teacher  became overly intimate with a student we might forgive him but we'd  argue that he'd violated a public trust.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Chaim DeLoye]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Gaylon Arnold  - It  all humility, it  isn't difficult to be morally superior to a man (not a kid, but a 25 year old man)  who had no compunction about  torturing a dog, filming its death agonies and then presenting the results  to the world as a "work of art". By all means feel free to forgive Otterness  for his actions.
        
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      <![CDATA["...he puts some untraditional twists on the basic male-female symbols, with bronzes of same-sex pairs engaged in a tender kiss ("It seemed good not to have it so heterocentric," Otterness says)"<br>
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AWW YEEE WOOT WOOT!!! Way to go Otterness!!!
        
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      <![CDATA["Davis sees the protests as "almost a class issue,"... " Did the reporter ask which "class"?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Gaylon Arnold]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I don't feel qualified to judge the work. I'll have to experience it to see if I enjoy it or not.
        
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      <![CDATA[ZRC.... Otterness'  sculptures look to me like something that would have been designed by a Stalin-era Soviet architect  on speed.
        
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      <![CDATA[I walked through the sculpture park the other day and got to take in the Otterness sculptures. True they are simple geometric shapes, but any creation myth starts with simple ideas and builds from there.
        
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      <![CDATA[I am embarrassed to live within sight of these puerile stone sphereheads. They look like rejected Euro-Olympic mascots.
        
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      <![CDATA["According to Holcomb, one person contacted Holcomb's former employers, various staff members have been threatened, there have been angry, anonymous postings to voice mails, and Otterness's life has been threatened."<br>
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I suspect that there's more than a little hyperbole in this statement as it's a fine old tactic for those on the defensive to attempt to deflect  criticism by claiming to have received  anonymous (and therefor unverifiable) threats. It would be interesting to know if Holcomb and his staff notified the authorities to investigate these alleged threats.
        
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